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Digital Dolls Gallery Restructure

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:45 AM
Edit: Added in a proposed variation by zapatones.

Over at communityrelations we have a Gallery Make Over Project running and I have always thought that Digital Dolls is structured really oddly, I have thought of some hypothetical changes.  So I have a couple of proposals to change the structure that I think would benefit from input from the community.

Proposal 1 - Merge all the Things :la:
This would result in digital dolls submission process looking like this:
Customization > digital dolls > finished dolls
Customization > digital dolls > bases

The simplest we can make the gallery look.  Would cut down on miscats immensely, especially with regards to tracing and shading style, and should be easy to keep clean.  This does mean that traced and original work is merged again.

Proposal 2a - Merge some of the Things 8D
This would result in a similar plan as above.
Customization > digital dolls > finished dolls > pixel shaded
Customization > digital dolls > bases > pixel shaded
Customization > digital dolls > finished dolls > tool shaded
Customization > digital dolls > bases > tool shaded
This keeps shading styles as separate categories, will cut down on some of the miscats with regards to shading style (how many colours before pixel shaded becomes tool will still be a debate) and will immensely cut down on miscats due to tracing.  But this means that traced and original work are merged again.

Proposal 2b - Merge some of the things differently 8D
Customization > digital dolls > finished dolls > original work
Customization > digital dolls > bases > original base
Customization > digital dolls > finished dolls > traced work
Customization > digital dolls > bases > traced base

This keeps the traced vs original variation and uses the wording original base in a way that is more logical than it's being used now.

Proposal 3 - Essentially Rearrange What We Have :dummy:
This would result in something like:
Customization > Digital Dolls > Adopted Base > Pixel
Customization > Digital Dolls > Adopted Base > Tool
Customization > Digital Dolls > Original Base* > Pixel
Customization > Digital Dolls > Original Base > Tool
Customization > Digital Dolls > Base > Pixel
Customization > Digital Dolls > Base > Tool
Customization > Digital Dolls > Traced Base > Pixel
Customization > Digital Dolls > Traced Base > Tool

*Original base really needs a rename if it is kept and I am open to suggestions.

Probably won't clear up miscats very well but it makes more sense submission-wise.  You'll notice that misc/other is missing.  I honestly think that any shading style aside from pixel is essentially brought about with tools; even no shading, just a flat colour is the paint bucket tool.  And just black and white pixel by pixel dolls or doll bases can go into the pixel category.  So it seems like a redundant category to keep.  We can let the doller's own discretion decide where they wish to place pieces that they would normally reserve for misc/other.

Proposal 4 - Leave things alone
No change because we're too old for that :shakefish:

I'm going to be perfectly honest and say that I am most partial to proposal one or two.  They both use plain language and are simple to follow, which will help with anyone new to dA or to digital dolls.  The set up is muddled enough that even veterans get confused on occasion.  There are already several divides in the community based on dolling method and I think the current categorization system, which was meant to cater to the niche aspects of dolling, reinforces the divide and helps to fragment the community, which was not the intended aim.  I think by merging as much as possible, we can move towards becoming a more unified community.

Please feel free to express which proposal you like best, why and any changes that may improve any of the proposals =)

A few proposals to restructure the Digital Dolls gallery. Any polite thoughts on improvements or just endorsements (with reasons why) of plans proposed would be helpful =)
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Vayliya Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013  Professional General Artist
Ok I think my vote is
Customization > Digital Dolls > Dolls > Pixel
Customization > Digital Dolls > Dolls > Tooled
Customization > Digital Dolls > Bases > Pixel
Customization > Digital Dolls > Bases > Tooled
Customization > Digital Dolls > Traced Dolls
Customization > Digital Dolls > Traced Bases and Line Art

I know I should have posted this earlier.
Original bases are the best way I think we can explain them. I don't feel we need to explain if Tracing is a distinct category. Kill the deep sub categories. Just in the description say if you used an image that was not your own for the making of this base, then it is traced.
PixelMeBlu Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
2b! I want to be able to browse bases with more ease of knowing what's not traced. Maybe not refer to things as "original work" and "traced work" if only because "traced work" may prompt people to trace entire pictures. Not sure what else to call them, though. x:

Astanine Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, so I'm coming here today to suggest something: As someone who's been screamed at by "dollers" for telling them their pony bases, pony "dolls", sonic "dolls", animal line-arts, etc., I can see that reasoning with them is simply not cutting it. They don't understand the origins of dolling, and it's hard for a lot of traditional dollers to swallow.

We see a lot of animal/pony/sonic things in the Digital Dolls category, and to be honest, I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. The people cluttering up the digital dolls categories with miscats want to be recognized as dollers (for whatever reason!). Why not give them that?

Why can we not split Digital Dolls into two sub groups? You'd select Customization and then Digital Dolls, but before you go any farther, you'd have to select Human/Humanoid or Animal/Animalistic. And then go from there! We could separate what the traditional dollers want versus what the new "dollers" would like.
Lyricanna Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That is an interesting angle to consider :nod:

As things stand, all the sonic and MLP finished work should be in fanart and the line art should be in stock and resources as things currently stand. Especially since tracing is allowed in the fan art gallery. I'm not sure why they want to consider them dolls, to be honest, but since dolling uses techniques found in many areas of digital art, it is hard to separate dolls based on method... Sorry for the rambling. I'll be considering that angle for sure though :nod:

But for now, please don't approach people asking them to move things themselves, it can cause a lot of needless drama, especially since to them you are "just another user" without authority on the website ^^;
Astanine Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure why they want them considered dolls either, but that's what I've encountered in my searching. I can understand how they think the pony line-arts are bases, but the end results just don't fit the definition of a doll. But if their intent is a doll, then that's something to consider. (And I remember our previous comment thread on this journal about intent!) It'd certainly give them an option, and help keep clear the human/humanoid category!

Hahaha! Yes, I realized that quite quickly and I've long since stopped. It's interesting though! Some of them just follow the herd and post in the digital dolls area, not realizing that it's not the proper area. Others feel a strange sense of entitlement to post wherever they feel like it. It's weird. ^^;
Lyricanna Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's true as well :nod: Yet since it does seem to be a fandom thing, it seems very odd that fan art does not appeal to them for categorization, so I'd like to try to figure out why (out of personal interest :lol: )
Astanine Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Please share your results, hehe! I'm interested too!
Tejinashinsen Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I like the first two options, leaning to the second a little more because sometimes you just want to show case something tooled and it's hard to tell if the doller's that good.

But simple is better isn't it?
Lyricanna Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep =)

Thanks for your input =)
Tejinashinsen Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
No problem
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